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Given below are two statements $1$ and $2$, and two conclusions $\text{I}$ and $\text{II}$

  • $\text{Statement 1:}$ All bacteria are microorganisms.
  • $\text{Statement 2:}$ All pathogens are microorganisms.
  • $\text{Conclusion I:}$ Some pathogens are bacteria.
  • $\text{Conclusion II:}$ All pathogens are not bacteria.

Based on the above statements and conclusions, which one of the following options is logically $\text{CORRECT}$?

  1. Only conclusion $\text{I}$ is correct
  2. Only conclusion $\text{II}$ is correct
  3. Either conclusion $\text{I}$ or $\text{II}$ is correct
  4. Neither conclusion $\text{I}$ nor $\text{II}$ is correct
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Someone  plzz challenge this question...
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I think answer should be D: neither 1 nor 2
EXPLAINATION
Either-OR is similar to XOR gate which means both conclusions can't be true at the same time.
But in the question both conclusions can be true at same time.
So, option D): neither 1 nor 2 is correct seems most logical answer.

NOTE
conclusion 2 means :- Not every Pathogen is Bacteria. which means some pathogens can be bacteria.

Hope You Understand.

But i think marks should be awarded to all as the conclusion 2 could have different meanings.
but still option D is necessarily true.

 

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Congratulations Guys. Both answers are correct as per final answer key..

WE WON!!!
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  • Statement 1: All bacteria are microorganisms.
  • Statement 2: All pathogens are microorganisms.
  • Conclusion I: Some pathogens are bacteria.
    Not logically correct as we can draw a Venn diagram satisfying the given statements and where pathogens and bacteria do not intersect.
  • Conclusion II: All pathogens are not bacteria.
    This statement means some pathogen is there which is not a bacteria. (Alternatively think of the statement “all students are not rich” which means “there is at least one student who is not rich”). Now, this statement is also not logically correct as we can draw a Venn diagram satisfying the given statements and having all pathogens as bacteria. 

Now we already showed that options A and B are wrong.

Option C is ambiguous in the sense that it can mean

  1. At least one conclusion is correct (does not make sense as this will automatically make at least one of options A or B correct as well)
  2. If conclusion I is not true conclusion II is true and vice versa. In other words both the conclusions cannot be false at the same time. This interpretation makes this option CORRECT.

Option D is correct as individually both the conclusions are not logically correct.

Due to the ambiguity of option C marks were given for both options C and D.

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hello sir marks were given to all or only who attempted this question?
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Great explanation 💯

A)Only conclusion 1 is true.

conclusion 1 is true and conclusion 2 is false 

B)Only conclusion 2 is true.

conclusion 1 is false and conclusion 2 is true.

C)Either -or     (exclusiove-or)          one of Standard option in Reasoning Questions of Indian Exams

conclusion 1 is true and conclusion 2 is false     OR

conclusion 1 is false and conclusion 2 is true.

D)neither -nor

conclusion 1 is false and conclusion 2 is false

3 Types of Reasoning- Verbal, Non-verbal, Analytical

Syllogism comes under Analytical Reasoning.  

Syllogism is solvable using propositional logic if either-or option not in Question. Syllogism Questions quite popular in competitive exams where Reasoning is asked. 

And either-or option in question makes it more challenging to solve as we can’t apply propositional logic here :(

As marks had been given for both options c) and d). If this Question had been asked in other exams, I don’t think so marks had given to option d) as well. Because c) is only correct here.

Same kind of Question asked in CLAT(2013)

Pg-157(Q- 144)   

Answer- none of these    ( either-or option not here )

https://gateoverflow.in/?qa=blob&qa_blobid=9132213716178174310

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https://gateoverflow.in/359795/gate-ece-2021-ga-question-6

Similar Question( either-or is correct)

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$pathogen(x)$ = x is pathogen

$bacteria(x)$ = x is bacteria

 

Conclusion I: Some pathogens are bacteria.

$\exists x ( pathogen(x) \wedge bacteria(x))$ 

this means  $pathogen \cap bacteria \neq \phi$

 

Conclusion II: All pathogens are not bacteria.

$\forall x ( pathogen(x) \rightarrow \sim bacteria(x))$

this means $pathogen \cap bacteria = \phi$

 

clearly either conclusion I or conclusion is true.


I think confusion here is in second conclusion,

if the given conclusion II were like

“Not all pathogens are bacteria”,     $\sim (\forall x ( pathogen(x) \rightarrow bacteria(x)))$

in the case i agree niether is correct answer..

 

But see the difference between given conclusion and this conclusion..

Correct me if I’m wrong!

 

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aniketh its already done on GO key
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Ok thanks...
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Why I think answer is D?

In such type of questions when a conclusion is given based on some statements then for that conclusion to be correct it must be true for all the cases.

But in this question we have a counter example where conclusion 1 fails and we also have a counter example where conclusion 2 fails , so we can say neither of the conclusion is correct because they are not true for all the cases.

Now if you take all the cases then you will see that either conclusion 1 is followed or conclusion 2 is followed but we can’t say that “either conclusion I or II is correct” because for any conclusion to be correct it must be true for all the cases. So option C is wrong.

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All we need to refute a conclusion is a counter example in which both the statements are correct but conclusion is false. 

Conclusion 1 states that some pathogens are bacteria, but the first venn diagram refutes that.

Conclusion 2 states that all pathogens are not bacteria, but the second venn diagram is against that.

Both the venn diagram follow from the original statements, so we have shown a counter example to both conclusions so option D is correct.

Option C is wrong as it doesn’t say by any means that both statements can’t be correct at the same time.

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Please see the venn diagram

We don’t know for sure which venn diagram is referred

Both the conclusions are contradictory

If you consider I correct then two is automatically false

If you consider II correct then one is automatically false

Both true and both false can never be the case

Therefore atleast one of them has to be correct
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Dude... lol indeed
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I have solved this problem by interpreting it as a syllogism question if you use standard procedures from Arun Sharma books the answer should be D, but if you interpret it as a First-order logic question one can see why option c could be possible. The answer will depend on how you interpret the question, I don't think option D is wrong if you see it as a syllogism question.
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Here is the question explained with another example which will hopefully help people think freshly without thinking about the actual question.

Statement 1 – all rats who lost one of their limbs are 3 limb mammals
Statement 2 – all rodents who lost one of their limbs are 3 limb mammals
Conclusion 1 – some 3 limb rats are 3 limb rodents
Conclusion 2 – all 3 limb rats are not 3 limb rodents

Cases possible from given statements 1 and 2:

Now,

1. can we conclude that SOME 3 limb rats are 3 limb rodents? No. Counter example is figure 1

2. can we conclude that ALL 3 limb rats are not 3 limb rodents? No. Counter example is all other figures.

So neither conclusion 1, nor 2 is correct. There is no ambiguity here right? because neither of the conclusions were derivable from the premises.

                           -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now why is – either conclusion 1 or 2 is correct – wrong? The answer lies in interpretation of the question (semantics), as well as the definition of a conclusion.

Saying that either conclusion 1 or conclusion 2 is correct implies that one of the above conclusions can possibly be deduced from the statements, meaning either we were able to deduce that some 3 limb rats are 3 limb rodents, or we were able to deduce that all 3 limb rats aren’t 3 limb rodents.

Definition of the conditional statement from Rosen which mentions what is called a “conclusion” : 

Let p and q be propositions. The conditional statement p → q is the proposition “if p, then
q.” The conditional statement p → q is false when p is true and q is false, and true otherwise.
In the conditional statement p → q, p is called the hypothesis (or antecedent or premise)
and q is called the conclusion (or consequence).

Another definition from https://www.britannica.com/topic/logic#ref535920

“An inference is a rule-governed step from one or more propositions, called premises, to a new proposition, usually called the conclusion. An inference rule is said to be valid, or deductively valid, if it is necessarily truth-preserving. That is, in any conceivable case in which the premises are true, the conclusion yielded by the inference rule will also be true.”

Stmt 1 AND Stmt 2 → Conclusion 1 stmt ?   – False

Stmt 1 AND Stmt 2 → Conclusion 2 stmt ?   – False

But do the individual statements of conclusion 1 and conclusion 2 together form a tautology? Definitely.

Although here is where we need to differentiate between making a whole new proposition by interpreting option c as “stmt C1 OR stmt C2”, and what the logical english interpretation of the options should be, i.e. either conclusion one can be deduced or conlusion two can be deduced. (a conclusion being correct implies that the conclusion CAN be deduced. Refer the definitions above).

But we clearly can’t deduce either of the conclusions from the given premises. There is a clear difference between saying “one of the conclusion holds and is correctly deduced” vs “one of the statements of both the conclusions has to be true”, the 2nd one being an assertion, which doesn’t take into account what a conclusion is! and simply considers both conclusions as statements OR’ed together, which we shouldn’t implicitly assume.

 

I feel like my argument is sound, and I’m not dismissing the fact that the other way of interpretation of the question may have some merit to it. (don’t come after me @Nikhil_dhama, blame the english language), but either option D should be correct, or both option C and D should get marks. The case where only option C is correct is clearly wrong.

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EDIT 1: As pointed out by @debmalya, statement of conclusion 2 “All pathogens are not bacteria” is probably being wrongly interpreted by everyone.
For example when we say that “All students are not toppers”, we don’t mean to say that there are no students who are toppers. Instead we mean that most of the students are not toppers.

Therefore the venn diagram of conclusion 1 and conclusion 2 both are actually identical, and they are not mutually exclusive, i.e one is not the negation of the other, and therefore both of them together in fact dont form a tautology, making option D the only correct choice.

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@Arjun sir you said 99% option C will be correct. I want to challenge this ques could you please provide a valid solution that can be used in this case.
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If the answer key gives C as correct, won’t that be at the time the challenge time window is closed? If so, how will you re-challenge the question?

The only fair outcome is if both C and D are marked correct by the committee. One can only hope that will be the case.
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  1. Only conclusion I is correct
  2. Only conclusion II is correct
  3. Either conclusion I or II is correct  – does this imply options A and B and if so one can straight away ignore them and mark this or option D
  4. Neither conclusion I nor II is correct

The bold marked line itself is a clue as to what the question setter would have had in his mind. I can only think that someone copied this question from somewhere and gave a different interpretation :) More discussion here: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4034468/interpreting-english-either-or-when-approaching-logical-deductions-doubt

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